“And the Father who sent me has Himself testified concerning me." (John 5:37-38)

“And the Father who sent me has Himself testified concerning me. You have never heard His voice nor seen His Form, nor does His Word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one He sent.” (John 5:37-38)
This clear statement by Jesus tells a number of things about Jesus and the Supreme Being.

Is Jesus God or God's messenger?

Jesus is clearly stating that he is not God. His statement clarifies that Jesus is God’s messenger. He says the Supreme Being sent Jesus: “And the Father who sent me…” How much clearer can this statement be? How can some teachers of today's organized church sects possibly teach that Jesus is the Supreme Being, when Jesus clearly indicates that God sent him?

From this statement, there are two persons being identified: "The Father" and "me." If "the Father" was "me" then Jesus would have not said that "the Father sent me." He would have said "I sent myself" or "I decided to come" or something like that.

Why would sectarian teachers of today’s organized churches that teach that Jesus is the Supreme Being when Jesus made clear statements like this?

Because they do not wish to know God. They would prefer to ignore God's existence. Jesus actually directly addressed this:
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matthew 7:21-23)

Why does God have to testify about Jesus?

What if we, on a job application, put ourselves down as one of our personal references. Maybe we put our nickname down as the name instead of our legal name. This would be unacceptable “testimony” for the prospective employer. Why? Because we cannot testify for ourselves in this situation. There would be no use for such a reference: Of course, we would testify for ourselves.

It would be a lie to say that someone else is testifying for us when really it is us. As soon as the prospective employer would find out we put ourselves as a personal reference, they would dismiss our application. The only way someone could testify for us is if they were a separate individual. So is Jesus fibbing when he says that God testifies for him? Certainly not.

Does God have a form and a voice?

Next, Jesus says: “You have never heard His voice nor seen His Form.” What does this clearly state about God?

This indicates that God has a voice, and God has a form. Why would Jesus criticize the institutional temple clerics he was speaking to that they had never heard God or seen Him if God couldn’t be seen or heard? It would be a false statement otherwise.

And furthermore, we know that Jesus is not God, because they were seeing Jesus in front of them, yet Jesus was saying that they had never seen God.

Let’s say that someone says that we have no spouse when we do. We can simply say to them that they think we have no spouse because they have never seen our spouse. Once they saw our spouse, they would know that our spouse exists, right?

In the same way, we know from Jesus’ statement that not only does God have a voice, but God has a form; and that Jesus has heard God's Voice and seen His Form.

Why, then, do the ecclesiastical sectarian teachers of today’s organized churches speak of the Supreme Being as either being Jesus or being some formless, vague “Father-spirit”? It is because they also have not heard His Voice nor seen His Form. If they had, or if they simply believed Jesus’ words, then they would accept that God has form, and can speak to them.

The issue here is that God’s form is not physical. It is spiritual. The spiritual world is another dimension. It is a dimension that cannot be seen by the physical eyes. Those living in that dimension can see the Form of God as He goes about His activities and exchanges relationships.

Does Jesus have a relationship with God?

The second understanding that is derived from Jesus’ statement is that Jesus and the Supreme Being have a relationship. When one person “testifies” for another, this is called, in today’s conversation, a personal reference.

Let’s say that we fill out an application for a job, and we list three personal references. What does this indicate about those references? It indicates that they know us personally and that we have some sort of relationship with them. In fact, very likely, the application form will have a column right next to their name and contact information that actually says: “relationship.”

Should the prospective employer call our references, our references will “testify” concerning us. Why should they spend the time answering the phone and testifying for us? Because we have a relationship with them.

Why are they missing Jesus' message?

Ironically, many professional preachers, reverends, popes, cardinals, bishops, and deacons that line the sectarian organizations of today have missed Jesus' message. Why do they miss his message, even though it is so clearly written in the Bible? Because they are too enmeshed in the materialistic aspects of their institutions: They do not want to give up their positions of authority and their desires for power and authority - seeking followers - which effectively bind them and blind them. As a result, "nor does His Word dwell" in them.

Most of these sectarian officials accept the position taken by the Synod of Nicene - a politically-assembled group of bishops brought together and governed by Emperor Constantine in the fourth century AD. Here it was claimed that Jesus, by virtue of a vague trilogy, was God.

This Nicene Creed was accepted by all of the churches under the order of the Roman Empire. If they didn’t accept this “creed” they would be disbanded and persecuted. This is also why the Gnostic texts were all burned or destroyed—except for a few copies of some of the texts that miraculously made it after they were buried in the desert or in graves.

In those Gnostic texts, we find clues to a completely different view of Jesus, even though most of his statements were consistent with Jesus' statements we find in the Bible. (The Gospel of Thomas, for example).

So even though the officials of the organized Christian churches today do not accept that God is different from Jesus, nor that God has a spiritual form; we can accept these as facts because, by God’s arrangement, some of the words of Jesus survived all the misinterpretation and mistranslation* of centuries of political motives, materialism, and greed that surrounded and impacted the scriptures within the politically-formatted Bible.

Jesus’ message was very clear. Not only does the Supreme Being exist, but the Supreme Being has form - a form perceived with spiritual eyes. He can thus speak to us. We can have a relationship with Him. We can love Him and serve Him and please Him. This is summed up by the most important commandment, taught by Jesus, Moses, and all of the other prophets, and many of Jesus' disciples:
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment.” (Matt. 22:37-38)


*Here is the translation of Jesus' statement according to the Lost Gospels of Jesus:

"And the Creator who sent me has Himself testified about me. You do not hear His voice nor perceive His Form, nor does His wisdomC dwell within you, for you do not trust the person He sent." (John 5:37-38)