"I am coming to You now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them." (John 17:13)

Jesus is continuing his open prayer to the Supreme Being - confirmed by this verse after speaking with his disciples after the 'last supper:'
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father...." (John 17:1)
Who is the "You" is in this part (John 17:13) of Jesus' prayer?

This means there are two individuals here: Jesus and God. Right?

Jesus says "You" - not "me" or "us" here. But "You."

Think about it. If John Doe is talking to someone and he says "I going to call you" to that person, what is John Doe saying? John Doe is saying, first, that he is talking to someone besides himself: He acknowledges the existence of someone outside of himself. And second, that he will be calling that individual who is not himself. Right?

Now if John Doe was speaking out loud and said "I am going to call myself" then we could assume that John Doe is speaking of himself here. And if he was not addressing someone as he said this, we would say that John Doe was speaking to himself.

Yet ecclesiastical sectarian teachers say that Jesus is God. Who was Jesus praying to then? Who is the "You" being referred to here by Jesus?

Or are they saying that Jesus was praying to himself but pretending to be praying to someone else?

This would mean Jesus was either being dishonest or he was a lunatic. Are these ecclesiastical sectarian teachers and their institutions saying Jesus was dishonest or teaching a falsehood?

Don't be ridiculous.

So who is teaching the falsehood here? If Jesus gets down on his knees and begins praying to someone, and then addresses that person as "You" and then later, the supposed followers of Jesus then say that Jesus is the "you" - while saying that Jesus is not a teaching a falsehood, then who is teaching the falsehood?

These ecclesiastical sectarian teachers and their institutions are teaching the falsehood. They may be reading these same verses, yet they are denying the existence of the very person that Jesus is praying to, while they say they are following Jesus. Is this an honest teaching? No, this is teaching a falsehood.

These supposed followers of Jesus deny the existence of the Person Jesus was:
  • Praying to
  • Worshiping
  • Serving
  • Loving
  • Teaching about
Now think about this: Let's say that a mother was caring for her baby - feeding it, changing its diapers, pampering it, keeping it warm, rocking it and so on. Then a man comes up to talk to the mother while she is caring for the baby, and completely ignores the baby - even brushing it aside as he talks to the mother. How would the mother feel?

Insulted. She would feel insulted that the man was ignoring and brushing aside the little baby she cared so much about.

Now take this feeling and multiple by one million. This is now getting close to how Jesus feels about these ecclesiastical sectarian preachers and their institutions - which say they worship Jesus but completely ignore the Person Jesus was loving and serving: the Supreme Being.

Now Jesus knew this was going to happen. He could see into the future and he knew that ecclesiastical, so-called followers would one day say they worship him - even calling out fanatically how they have "surrendered to Jesus" and so forth, yet they completely ignore the Supreme Being. Check out this statement:
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matt. 7:21-23)
This is a very clear statement, and it is describing the very ecclesiastical sectarian institutions and their teachers who get all sentimental about Jesus - calling him "Lord, Lord" - yet ignore the very existence - let alone serving or trying to love - the Supreme Being he had committed his life to.

Many will fuzzy things up and say, well there is the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit - which is based upon Jesus' statements. But then they say these three are the same individual, and that individual is essentially Jesus.

This is erroneous and ridiculous. In fact, as described elsewhere, the Greek word translated to "Son" actually means "Servant" or "Follower" or "Devotee" when the Greek is translated correctly. And yes, Jesus is certainly to be worshiped - as God's devoted representative. And the Holy Spirit is certainly God's manifestation within - Who can guide us if we let Him. But this is God's extension - not Jesus.

And Jesus is not God. Jesus is God's loving servant and representative. Yes, Jesus should be worshiped - but not as God. He should be worshiped as God's perfect loving servant. As God's representative. God's agent.

And by worshiping Jesus in this way, we find entrance into the loving relationship between Jesus and God. We are given access to the spiritual realm, because this is the "stuff" of the spiritual realm - loving relationships between God and His children. And once we gain access to that realm, we are able to come to know the Supreme Being, and we are able to develop our own loving service relationship with the Supreme Being.

Jesus is indicating this very issue as he prays. He first acknowledges that he knows he will be leaving his physical body soon - at the time of death - and will be returning to the spiritual realm to be with God:
"I am coming to You now, but I say these things while I am still in the world..."
And then Jesus details his purpose - not only for sharing this open prayer with his disciples: But his entire mission and teachings:
"...so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them."
Yes, Jesus is feeling joy. What is that joy? It is the joy of love for God. It is the joy that comes with pleasing the Person Jesus loves. Jesus is immersed in this joy of loving and serving God. What is this?

It is called a relationship. Jesus is involved in a loving service relationship with the Supreme Being.

And that relationship gives Jesus joy.

So Jesus wants to share this joy with others. He wants others to taste the joy that he is tasting - this love that Jesus is feeling towards the Supreme Being and this relationship with Him - he wants others to taste this joy. This is also reflected in Jesus' most important instruction:
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment." (Matt. 22:37-38)



(For a translation of Jesus' statements from the Gospel of John without sectarian influence, see the Gospels of Jesus  - translated from the original Greek texts.)