“And the Father who sent me has Himself testified concerning me. You have never heard His voice nor seen His Form, nor does His Word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one He sent.” (John 5:37-38)

This clear statement by Jesus tells a number of things about Jesus and the Supreme Being.

First it clarifies that Jesus is God’s messenger. The Supreme Being sent Jesus: “And the Father who sent me…” How much clearer can this statement be? How can ecclesiastical sectarian teachers of the modern organized church sects and their ancestors, the Roman empire-approved churches through today possibly teach that Jesus is the Supreme Being, when Jesus clearly indicates that God sent him?

What this truly indicates, is that like the Jewish officials Jesus was speaking to, the ecclesiastical sectarian teachers of today’s organized churches that teach that Jesus is the Supreme Being simply do not know God.

The second understanding that is derived from Jesus’ statement is that Jesus and the Supreme Being have a relationship. When one person “testifies” for another, this is called, in today’s conversation, a personal reference.

Let’s say that we fill out an application for a job, and we list three personal references. What does this indicate about those references? It indicates that they know us personally, and that we have some sort of relationship with them. In fact, very likely, the application form will have a column right next to their name and contact information that actually says: “relationship.”

Should the prospective employer call our references, our references will “testify” concerning us. Why should they spend the time answering the phone and testifying for us? Because we have a relationship with them.

In the same way, we know by Jesus’ statement that not only does Jesus have a relationship with God: We also know that Jesus and God are two separate individual persons. How do we know this?

Now what if we, on our job application, put ourselves down as one of our personal references. Maybe we put our nick name down as the name instead of our legal name. This would be unacceptable “testimony” for the prospective employer. Why? Because we cannot testify for ourselves in this situation. There would be no use for such a reference: Of course we would testify for ourselves.

It would be a lie to say that someone else is testifying for us, when really it is us. As soon as the prospective employer would find out we put ourselves as a personal reference, they would dismiss our application. The only way someone could testify for us is if they were a separate individual. So is Jesus fibbing when he says that God testifies for him? Certainly not.

Next Jesus says: “You have never heard His voice nor seen His Form.” What does this clearly state about God?

This indicates that God has a voice, and God has a form. Why would Jesus criticize the Jewish clerics he was speaking to that they had never heard God or seen Him if God couldn’t be seen or heard? It would be a false statement otherwise.

And furthermore, we know that Jesus is not God, because they were seeing Jesus in front of them, yet Jesus was saying that they had never seen God.

Let’s say that someone says that we have no spouse, when we do. We can simply say to them that they think we have no spouse because they have never seen our spouse. Once they saw our spouse, they would know that our spouse exists, right?

In the same way, we know from Jesus’ statement that not only does God have a voice, but God has a form; and that Jesus has heard God's Voice and seen His Form.

Why, then, do the ecclesiastical sectarian teachers of today’s organized churches speak of the Supreme Being as either being Jesus, or being some formless, vague “Father-spirit”? It is because they also have not heard His Voice nor seen His Form. If they had, or if they simply believed Jesus’ words, then they would accept that God has form, and can speak to them.

The issue here is that God’s form is not physical. It is spiritual. The spiritual world is another dimension. It is a dimension that cannot be seen by the physical eyes. Those living in that dimension can see the Form of God as He goes about His activities and exchanges relationships.

This might be compared to the creatures and fish living in the water. If we just look at the surface of the water from the beach, we see no life in the water. We only see a blue liquid surface that reflects light. The only way we can see all the life in the water is if we go into the water. We must wear a mask or use a submarine or glass bottom boat to see under the surface. Once we have this special equipment, we can suddenly see all the life and relationships going on under the water's surface.

This is a rough analogy because the spiritual world is far more inaccessible to the physical body than the life under the sea. But we can virtually see into the spiritual world simply by hearing from God’s messenger. Should we carefully hear from God’s messenger, we can understand that God has form, and that we can exchange a loving relationship with God. We can also understand, again as long as we carefully hear from one of God’s messengers, what God’s form looks like and what His voice sounds like. These, however, are advanced topics.

As we can see from Jesus’ message here, he cannot even establish with these Jewish officials he was talking to that God even exists. They simply were too wrapped up in their petty rules, regulations and  rituals regarding the Sabbath and so forth to sincerely humble themselves and hear from God’s messenger. Thus they missed his message, and they missed the opportunity to gain a relationship with God.

Ironically, this also goes for the many preachers, reverends, popes, cardinals, bishops and deacons that line the sectarian organizations of today who are so wrapped up in their rituals that they have missed  Jesus' message. And why do they miss his message, even though it is so clearly written in the Bible? Because they are too enmeshed in their own materialism: They do not want to give up their positions of authority and their desires for power and authority - seeking followers - which effectively bind them and blind them. As a result, "nor does His Word dwell" in them.

Most of these sectarian officials accept the position taken by the Synod of Nicene - a politically-assembled group of bishops brought together and governed by the Emperor Constantine in the fourth century AD. Here it was claimed that Jesus, by virtue of a vague trilogy, was God.

This Nicene Creed was accepted by all of the churches under order of the Roman Empire. If they didn’t accept this “creed” they would be disbanded and persecuted. This is also why the Gnostic texts were all burned or destroyed—except for a few copies of some of the texts that miraculously made it after they were buried in the desert or in graves.

In those Gnostic texts, we find clues to a completely different view of Jesus, even though most of his statements were consistent with Jesus' statements we find in the Bible. (The Gospel of Thomas, for example).

So even though the officials of the organized Christian churches today do not accept that God is different from Jesus, nor that God has a spiritual form; we can accept these as facts because by God’s arrangement, some of the words of Jesus survived all the misinterpretation and mistranslation that centuries of political motives, materialism and greed that surrounded and impacted the scriptures within the politically-formatted Bible.

Jesus’ message was very clear. Not only does the Supreme Being exist, but the Supreme Being has form - a form perceived with spiritual eyes. He can thus speak to us. We can have a relationship with Him. We can love Him and serve Him and please Him. This is summed up by the most important commandment, taught by Jesus, Moses, and all of the other prophets, and many of Jesus' disciples:
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment.” (Matt. 22:37-38)


(See also the Gospels of Jesus for the Book of John - translated from the original Greek texts without sectarian influence.)